Posted: 2017-10-13 11:34
Science has allowed us to observe things that we wouldn 8767 t be able to observe without it. However, science is still limited by what we can observe. No matter what kind of technology we come up with, we will never see any color outside the spectrum that we can see. Thermal and infrared cameras interpret those wave lengths into colors we can see, so we will never know what those colors actually look like. Science can only deal with concrete objectivity. It cannot deal with abstract concepts, ideas, and thoughts. God is an abstract concept, design is an abstract concept. These things are always subjective. Anyone who tries to objectify anything abstract are equally ignorant. This goes for theists and atheists alike.
Until the rationally-minded population recognizes that the creationists/ideologue/intuitively-dominated population is simply brain-wired differently, this silly 8775 debate 8776 will proceed indefinitely and without resolution. We should be spending more time discussing this physiological difference instead of the rationality of the existence of a 8775 god/creator/master-designer 8776 . We have been talking past each other ever since before Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by those of the same creationists lineage. Ask yourself what is your goal of this debate? Mine is to understand just how we really are different, and then 8766 fix 8767 that so that we 8767 re all wiser and can make progress without this horrible friction. If your goal is to simply bark at the opposition because it feels good to express your intellectual-disgust or self-righteous-threat/fears, then go ahead (but neither of you are going to 8775 win 8776 ).
That would be funny were it not so sad. Unless the funny little photoshoppers admit they sin, and therefore have separated themselves from God, and trust Christ 8767 s spilled blood on the cross as their only option to be seen as righteous in God 8767 s eyes, because Christ was the only truly righteous man who ever lived. He exchanged His righteousness for our sins. He 8767 s done all the work. If you end up separated from God for eternity in a place which was not made for humans, but rebellious angels, He didn 8767 t send you there. You chose not to be with Him. You chose to scoff at and ridicule there is even the slightest possibility of a Divine Creator.
Life requires carbon in order to serve as the hub for complex molecules, but it also requires oxygen in order to create water.
Carbon is like the hub wheel in a tinker toy set: you can bind other elements together to more complicated molecules (. – “carbon-based life), but the bonds are not so tight that they can’t be broken down again later to make something else.
The carbon resonance level is determined by two constants: the strong force and electromagnetic force.
If you mess with these forces even slightly, you either lose the carbon or the oxygen.
I was once talking to this guy online and after a few hours of nice, PG conversation, he did a complete 685. He asked where I worked because I looked familiar. He said I looked like a girl from an amateur porn video. I knew that was not possible. He then asked if he could jerk off while we continued our normal conversation. After he tricked me into continuing the conversion for a few more minutes, I told him good-bye. Then he barraged me with dozens of lengthy messages asking to help him orgasm by telling him what he was doing was normal. Apparently he had issues with disapproval and couldn't finish without me telling him the simple letters "OK." I never responded.
I just kind of don 8767 t care, if that 8767 s what helps them sleep at night, good for them, I don 8767 t care about the big bang theory, anybody who believes in it, good for them. Just because that dude over there is eating a ham sandwich, and I 8767 m eating a chicken sandwich doesn 8767 t mean I have to get in his face about it, if somebody got in my face about it, I 8767 d probably keep on eating my sandwich and look at them like they 8767 re weird. Some people like ham sandwiches, cool, some people like being Christians, also nice. Point being, why does anybody care what the average Joe down the street is doing, you do you.
I went for a drink with a guy I had been chatting with online. He seemed pretty normal (good job, intelligent, funny). His first question on sitting down with our drinks was whether I was up for anal. I bypassed and watched him drink his body weight in shots before he started crying about his ex-girlfriend and then threw up down my shoulder when I was trying to walk him home. This was around 68 months ago, and he still messages me from time to time with a "hey," or my favourite, "I miss you."
the interesting thing about this exercise is the replies dont really debunk anything these people believe its just childish mocking gee how clever. As an atheist its somewhat troubling that this seems to also illustrate that many atheists are not only jackasses but they are not better people, certainty not more compassionate or understanding its also interesting that christians seem to be the easy target even though they are not the worst offenders who believe in the unproven, why not go after Muslims, or wiccans, or Satanists, or Hindus, or anti-vaccine zealots, or anti-fracking morons, or anti-e cigarette zealots, or, abortionist idiots who think life begins at birth, or the aliens exist crowd (no proof they do what so ever, but unsurprisingly even many scientists think they exist)..etc etc but cowardess aparently is not a characteristic atheists shy away from.
my advice: grow up.
Hitler was not an atheist by any measure. The man called himself an evangelist, for Pete 8767 s sake. Look at the Jasenovac Death Camp in Slavonia, run by the very Catholic Ustaše, the leader of whom set the goal of treating Serbs and Jews in this manner: 8775 A third must become Catholic, a third must leave the country, and a third must die! 8776 Add to Hitler 8767 s number the many religious wars over the centuries to include the Crusades, the European wars of religion, etc. and the general suppression of opposing faiths and I 8767 d bet religion 8767 s hands are every bit as bloody as all power-mad atheists put together.
except of course if you are gay, have had an abortion, or are in an inter-racial marriage then of course you are damned, and further we should enact laws and policies that remove some basic human rights, because this magic book written by money-profiting 8766 apostles 8767 codified the ignorant thinking of their day into some kind of, what, law? Feel free to continue to rule your life by superstition and fantasy, but leave that belief at home thanks.
Met a guy who seemed to be decent. We went to see a movie, and he kept talking about my feet how "beautiful and sexy" he thought they were. I was like, "Thanks.?" Later, during the movie, he asked if he could suck on my toes. I said, "Definitely not." A few minutes later he dropped something on the floor, and while retrieving it tried to put the toes of my crossed legs in his mouth. I accidentally kicked him in the face. I was so shocked! I excused myself to go to the restroom and just walked straight out the door and left him in the theater.
8775 Why? I have data up the that i can show you that 8775 i know 8776 evolution not only exists, but is happening right now. I could show you, over the course of a couple of months how fruit flies mutate and 8775 evolve 8776 . I have fossil records, and dna evidence that supports what others have said about evolution. Famous people, famous thinkers and tinkerers and men who wonder and question everything. So why? Why do you think evolution doesn 8767 t exist? I can 8767 t make you 8775 believe 8776 evolution exists. I can 8767 t make you do anything really. All i really ask, as your science teacher, is listen to the evidence i put before you with an open and questioning mind. 8776
Too much hate. I really don 8767 t see any of these 8775 scientists 8776 convincing me that faith in a GOD is wrong by making fun of ignorant people. I mean, seriously, these people 8775 translating 8776 their statements are just being pompous and self-serving. At least ol 8767 Bill tried to convince and not accuse. Besides, the number of people who teach high school biology aren 8767 t even qualified to teach science or math. BTW, gravity is a law, not a theory.
I was listening to a man with an IQ of 755 last night, which is slightly higher than Newton 8767 s estimated IQ, who has also developed theories which dispute what we think we know. He said straight up he 8767 s convinced there is a Heaven and a Creator. If you believe the universe is infinite, then there are infinite possibilities, so there is no way you can dismiss something science hasn 8767 t proven yet as 8775 there 8767 s no way. 8776 If you believe the universe is finite, that means there is something out there besides our universe. Either more universes or infinite space. For that matter, it 8767 s possible there are infinite universes. We don 8767 t know.
Well John, we all live in this world. I 8767 m not sure what postulating something above and beyond it does to help us actually understand it. It 8767 s really not about faith what-so-ever. It 8767 s about knowledge. I know that a human baby can not be born from a virgin. It 8767 s a physiological impossibility for many many reasons. I assume if a tabloid reported that a baby had been born from a virgin, you would think the same thing that I think. Specifically, that it 8767 s a bunch of nonsense. So when you turn around and make some weird exception to that rule and for some event that there are no historical witnesses to, then yes I have the duty as a scientist to, as you say, impugn your intelligence. You can believe whatever it is you want to believe. But you have no reasonable expectation that I should believe the same, unless that is there is evidence to support what you 8767 re saying is true.
Not all pastots are like that. Mine is an extremely loving and loyal man. He and his wife have just bought their first house, while they are both in their fifties. They use their money to pay for a food ministry for people who need extra help. Also, you are saying that creationism is no different than the Greek mythology? If it is, why has it lasted over 7555 years? Why are we still readin the same words that were written back before Christ 8767 s birth? Why do many people today still have faith in the same God? This is not like other ancient religions and mythologies. I hope that one day you will see that.
That 8767 s absolutely nonsense. The Bible pointed out plenty of scientific fact long, long, long before man discovered it. God digs science. He created it. And I promise you He knows a whole helluva lot more than anyone running around on this old rock. Where is your proof of evolution? Give me one instance of one species evolving into another. And why in the world hasn 8767 t anyone found that elusive missing link, yet?
• “Why did God put the tool of man’s destruction in the center of the garden, like he wanted man to eat the apple… why did he allow the snake to be there?” If you put an object that could destroy your child in the center of their playroom- and add a bad influence into the mix, can you get all that upset with your child when they act on their curiosity? Social services would call you a sociopathic parent if you cast that child away from you as a result.
Cartography is a science. Look at a map from the year that good. 6955 better, but still off. 6555 an improvement. 6655 better. 6755..starting to look sort of right. 6855 actually quite good. better. 7555, nearly photographic. So what you are saying is that you would rather go around using a bronze age map than any of the ones I mentioned because, since maps don 8767 t have every detail they are useless and scheming. Excuse me while I chortle at your infantile nature.
John, Do you REALLY believe that most Christians believe that if your gay or have had an abortion or are in an inter-racial marriage that you are damned? If so, you really should do some investigation. It just isn 8767 t so. any more than are the sterotypes about non-believers (. those that say they have no morals.)
While I 8767 m at it do you really believe that the apostles profited financially? If so, you really should do some investigation. Most died poor and as matyrs.
AND, are you unaware that Christians have often been at the forefront of human rights movements (even if there are those who want to repress others as there are non-believers as well)
I 8767 d be glad to provide sources to research on each of these, if you would like (a couple come to mind immediatly from my PhD studies in religion).... but your wild accusatons and sterotypes are just as filled with fantasy and superstition as those you criticize. It really undermines your credibility.